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Zach H.





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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:12 pm    Post subject: Help ID Kit Musket (?)         Reply with quote

Hello,

my parents decided to give me my Grandfather's old musket so I could use it with French Indian War reenactment. They didn't know much about it, just that my Grandfather built it sometime between the 40's-60's and that's all the info I have. Looking at it, it doesn't look a thing like the 18th century guns I've handled and look like a passable 19th century rifle. If anyone as seen a musket like this or might have any info please let me know.

Also, since this is fire-able, do I need to get it registered? I've never owned a gun, replica, or not

Thanks,

Zach

Here are the photos, since I'm having trouble adding them as attachments:

http://i.imgur.com/coJkUti.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/58xcXq1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DV8ypM6.jpg
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Paul Mullins





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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Totally incorrect for 18th century, maybe passable for mid-19th century and later.
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Zach H.





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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:48 pm Post subject:
Totally incorrect for 18th century, maybe passable for mid-19th century and later.


That's what I was thinking.
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Julian Reynolds




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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This looks like a Traditions Kentucky Percussion Rifle Kit. The two-part stock (see the joint forward of the lock) is the distinguishing feature. That joint is also its anachronistic weak point, in that it makes it a lot less desirable as a gun, unfortunately.

It is also a percussion gun, and therefore completely unsuitable for the F&I period (unless you were a time traveller). You should be looking for a flintlock, a fusil de chasse etc.

I suggest you take some time browsing the Traditional Muzzleloading Forum for more information on your gun and what type on rifle would be suitable for the F&I period.

Julian
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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

At first, I was going to say CVA, .....I think you are correct on the Traditions......Odd to talk about something unsharpened. Laughing Out Loud .....McM
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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have a Tradition's Kentucky pistol, it appears to be a shorter version (with the same lock) of that rifle. Oh, you may want to look down the muzzle to verify it is rifled, so technically it is not a musket.
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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it says 'Japan' anywhere on it, it's probably a Miroku. They like to use that two-part construction in their long guns.
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Mike Janis




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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 3:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You can “fudge it“ to pass the 10’ rule by buying a Percussion Cap to Flintlock converter. Check with Dixie Gunworks. It looks like Hawken or plains rifle (1800s). To me, the key points are: half stock, heavy barrel, octagonal barrel. The Kentucky Rifles tended to have full stocks with round barrels.
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Lin Robinson




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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not appropriate for F&I War. It is actually not a copy of anything original. Instead it is the manufacturer's idea of a Pennsylvania long rifle, but definitely not a Hawken, which was a half stock with considerably different stock architecture. It is probably Spanish-made. I doubt it dates any earlier than the 70s but these guns were made and kits available for quite a long time.
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David Lewis Smith




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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

you could try track of the wolf as well
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Index.aspx

they have a very odd assortment of fire arms.

and kits
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Category.aspx/588

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