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Mark Shier
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Mar, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Surviving 14th century arming garment?         Reply with quote

I was reading a recent article on the Sutton Hoo should clasps, and came across this:
"a 14th century gambeson, now in Munich, which was fastened with hinged metal fittings on the shoulder straps." The reference for this was: P. Post, "Ein Panzerfragment aus der Fruhzeit der Brigantine', Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen-und Kostumekunde, n.f. 8/9 (1943), 225-39, abb.7.
Any ideas on what this really is/was?
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Chris Kerr




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PostPosted: Mon 18 Mar, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not familiar with that one, Mark, though I'm super curious now; have you seen this one (Spanish from c.1385)?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39465793@N05/set...331135867/

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Mark Shier
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Mar, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Arming garments         Reply with quote

That's a good set of pictures of Dom Joao's coat armour. I don't think he would have been too happy being called Spanish- he was Portuguese:)
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Mar, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh no! Of course he was. I blame late nights online ....
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Mar, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is one (or two?) from Lübeck. Can´t find the link. Anyone who has a link?
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Mark Shier
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Mar, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: lubeck garment         Reply with quote

The Lubeck garment is hundreds of years later than the 14th C.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Mar, 2013 4:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A hundred years later, not quite hundreds. It is from the 1470s or so from the last description up I though.

He for sure would not like being called Spanish....

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Mikael Ranelius




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PostPosted: Fri 22 Mar, 2013 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Surviving 14th century arming garment?         Reply with quote

Mark Shier wrote:
I was reading a recent article on the Sutton Hoo should clasps, and came across this:
"a 14th century gambeson, now in Munich, which was fastened with hinged metal fittings on the shoulder straps." The reference for this was: P. Post, "Ein Panzerfragment aus der Fruhzeit der Brigantine', Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen-und Kostumekunde, n.f. 8/9 (1943), 225-39, abb.7.
Any ideas on what this really is/was?
Mark


Maybe it was lost during WW2? I would sure like to know about this garment!
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Chris Kerr




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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar, 2013 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My understanding is that this is a mis-translation, and this was actually an armour, a COP or a brigandine, *not* a gambeson. I'll check for references.
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