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Michael O'Neill





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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Two-handed Flammenschwert : Any suggestions?         Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have long wanted to add a two-handed flammenschwert to my collection and wondered whether anyone had any experience having one made. In particular (1) do you know anyone who has made or does make these (2) do you have any suggestions on historically authentic examples?

I would be looking for a functional (not decorative/ceremonial) version. One of the best looking versions I have been able to find is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dresden-Zwi...ord.04.JPG. However, I've not seen it in person and can find limited information about it online (eg size etc). As near as I can tell it looks like a functional version (blade seems to be in proportion and not overly heavy) but really cant find all that much on it (or others).

I'm guessing it would probably be a custom order - but don't know how difficult the blade would be to get right.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Michael
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Vincent C




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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's one from a Portuguese Museum (Museo militar?), it's hard to tell, but it has parrying hooks. I can only guess at the dimensions, but the rifle behind it gives a good sense of scale. It isn't huge, but it's still large. It also looks serviceable.



As for who to make one, I know that Craig Johnson from Arms and Armor has made a very nice zweihander, don't know about flammenschwert though.

John Lundemo over at Odinblades would probably enjoy making one though, I know he's made at least two zweihanders and does very nice work.

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Emil Andersson




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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I ordered and received a large, flame-bladed two-handed sword from Lutel-handicraft about 6 months back. You can take a look at my summary of it Here. If you're in Europe I'd say that they're a good venue to take care of your needs. If you're in the US I suspect that the shipping cost would be prohibitive.

The sword in question: http://www.lutel-handicraft.com/?p=productsMo...word-16005

Also, note that I've tampered with the starting order of posts in the thread I linked to above. If you want to view the thread in its entirety from the beginning, look in the address bar change the number after "start=" from '17' to '0'. Happy
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Bryan W.





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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Vincent C wrote:

As for who to make one, I know that Craig Johnson from Arms and Armor has made a very nice zweihander, don't know about flammenschwert though.

John Lundemo over at Odinblades would probably enjoy making one though, I know he's made at least two zweihanders and does very nice work.


Owning pieces from both of these people I'll vouch for both as to their ability and I have current commissions with both of them as well.

Craig made a flammard styled smallsword for me that is perhaps one of my favorite reproductions ever (it can be viewed on the A&A website) so I'm sure he could make it in a "larger version" potentially.

John has made excellent large blades for people in the past and has some pictures of some unusually shaped blades he has created as well so I'm confident he has the ability.

Although I don't know much about the history/style of the particular blade you were looking for, you can't go wrong with either of those makers.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2012 5:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is a thread with many examples in it: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=629 .

There are other threads which discuss this style. The search function will help.

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Ruel A. Macaraeg





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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Vincent C wrote:
Here's one from a Portuguese Museum (Museo militar?), it's hard to tell, but it has parrying hooks. I can only guess at the dimensions, but the rifle behind it gives a good sense of scale. It isn't huge, but it's still large. It also looks serviceable.





I took that photo at the Museu Militar in Lisbon. Total length of the sword is 157 cm according to the label, and it does have parrying hooks.
http://www.forensicfashion.com/1488Portuguese...tante.html
http://www.forensicfashion.com/files/1488Port...3label.JPG

http://ForensicFashion.com/CostumeStudies.html
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Vincent C




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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote:
http://www.forensicfashion.com/files/1488Port...3label.JPG


Is the weight on the label for the sword pictured as well? Because I really like this sword if it is.

Your site is a lot of fun to read by the way, it's cool to see you on the forum.

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Ruel A. Macaraeg





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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Vincent! The site is really just my filing cabinet of sorts -- notes that I can access easily when trying to write research articles and such. Right now it's a bit of a mess, but I'm slowly getting it organized. If anything, I hope it'll encourage others to organize their own research notes and put them online too.

While that label doesn't give this specific sword's weight, it does say that "their weight rarely surpassed 2.1 kg." That's roughly similar to what's said about analogous German two-handers: For example, Larocca (in Coe et al. 1993 p48) gives German Zweihander swords at "something of the order of 5-8 lbs/2.3-3.6 kg." http://www.forensicfashion.com/1525GermanInfantry.html

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