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Boris R.





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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Seeking european maker of riveted maille         Reply with quote

Maybe this is the wrong subforum, if indeed it is, I humbly apologise to the moderators.
Does anybody in EU make riveted chain mail? All that I have found is imported indian/pakistanian riveted maille.
NB not aluminium but steel or iron.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, it was in the wrong sub-forum and has been moved. The Marketplace is not for seeking any kind of advice, only for sales transactions between non-industry craftsmen individuals.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This guy makes chainmail by hand.http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/...nmail.html
have seen it in person it looks really good.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 8:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://www.capapie.co.uk/
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 12:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Might not be the best, but it's cheap!
https://shop.strato.de/epages/245791.sf/secf1baf2edc8/?ObjectPath=/Shops/245791/Categories/KE

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto, the Zeughaus does not produce their own maille, this is the typical imported stuff from India.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Boris, did you want to buy a euroeean made maille or get pointers on making your own? Or a bit of both?
From what historical period and variant, flat rings or round and with or without alternating solids?


R Lister wrote:
http://www.capapie.co.uk/

At that low price this has to be GDFB mailles they're selling. I also recognise the photos of the GDFB tools. Nothing wrong with GDFB of course which I like a lot, but it's not all hand made in europe.
Are these perhaps GDFB mailles that have been tailored? Some I've seen that have been turned out very nice indeed.


Europeean hand made mailles (from pre-drawn wire most likely so not all hand made perhaps but close enough) would run at something like 3.000-6.000 depending on size and ring type. Probably add another zero if it also has authentic hand made solids and hand drawn from wrought iron wire rather than steel. But I don't know if anyone really makes these, in europe or outside it to sell. Hard to make a living on I mean. If anyone does make them I'd very much like to know.


The manufacturer Ben listed above that actuallay makes hand made mailles charges "300 Eur for each kilo", a reasonably sized haubergon would be around 10 kg, so 3.000 euro. Very reasonably priced for what you get.
I'm just guessing but probably this is made from pre-drawn steel wire with low enough carbon content to border on being iron in the traditional sense. Probably it's all riveted and no hand made solids, or solids made from industrial washers like everybody making and selling maille uses today, or they'd specify that very clearly since it's a lot of extra work and unique on the market.
The result makes for a very nice maille without the uniform shape ring look.
My friend Niclas makes the same type of maille from iron carbon level steel wire, though I think he charges more but if anyone's interested I can ask him for a quote.

I like that gambeson.pl has some mailles made from 1.2 mm wire thickness rings (just like my friend does) as seen in Gjermundbu and other mailles. Most we see mass produced are 1.5 or even 2 mm wire and can only emulate the very thickest ring types used historically.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Johan Gemvik wrote:
Boris, did you want to buy a euroeean made maille or get pointers on making your own? Or a bit of both?
From what historical period and variant, flat rings or round and with or without alternating solids?


Hi Johan, no I do not plan on making my own maille, but with prices you mentioned it is not hard to see why everyone resorts to cheap indian made maille. I reenact 15.ct Condottiero, so i was thinking voiders and chain skirt underneath milanese plate, maybe even shoe coverings.
Incidentally, there are also some russians that make their own armour, but their websites are in russian only.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Most of the mail offered by gambeson.pl is a bit too light for my taste. While 1.2 mm wire is more than sufficient for mail with a smaller internal diameter (i.e 6 mm), it is quite thin when used for mail with an internal diameter of 10 mm. Such light mail would have not been preferably used as a standalone armour but in conjuction with plate armour.

Note that gambeson.pl also has mail haubergeons with 8 mm/1.2 mm mail. But even that is a bit too light in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr, 2012 12:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You could take a look here. I haven't seen it in person, but from what I've heard it's okay enough.
http://www.malienkolders.nl/
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr, 2012 3:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i know the guy's from malienkolders.nl great guy's great chainmails, they also make them to your measurements.
butt the are imported from india

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2012 1:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:
Might not be the best, but it's cheap!
https://shop.strato.de/epages/245791.sf/secf1baf2edc8/?ObjectPath=/Shops/245791/Categories/KE


Hmm - it is cheap! - especially if you pre-pay (which makes me a little wary). Have you dealt with them before or do you know anyone who can/has recommended them?
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2012 2:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

btw im looking at things OTHER than the maile but im confused by the way euros are written down i.e the decimal place

59,90 i see this and because it has a comma, im not sure if that means 59 point 90 i.e nearly 60 euros?

its just i cant help but feel 'this is too good to be true' to have a 60 euro visored sallet.
https://shop.strato.de/epages/245791.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/245791/Products/HESP-DS01-MSZP-2124-VOR
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian Robson wrote:
Augusto Boer Bront wrote:
Might not be the best, but it's cheap!
https://shop.strato.de/epages/245791.sf/secf1baf2edc8/?ObjectPath=/Shops/245791/Categories/KE


Hmm - it is cheap! - especially if you pre-pay (which makes me a little wary). Have you dealt with them before or do you know anyone who can/has recommended them?


I bought a 10mm riveted hauberk and coif the 23th of december. I didn't received nothing yet, but I made the chepest order, the one that says that you can wait to six months. I emailed them yesterday to know about my order.

I'll let you know what the'll answer.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 May, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

any news? Happy I'm very interested in shipping to Italy
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PostPosted: Wed 16 May, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The manager from the shop says that the maille should arrive from the manufacturer (Indian, presumably) should arrive by the and of this month. Maybe fot the end of the next one I'll be able to make a review.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 May, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:
Might not be the best, but it's cheap!
https://shop.strato.de/epages/245791.sf/secf1baf2edc8/?ObjectPath=/Shops/245791/Categories/KE


Wow that is cheap, what do thy mean by "part riveted?"
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thread resurrection!!

Finally my maille from Zeughaus arrived!

It is great! I ordere ad S size hauberk and it fits me very well. The arms aren't baggy all other reproductions and the mail coif is beautiful (althought a little big for me).

You have to wait, but the price and the quality are woth it!!

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Johan Gemvik wrote:
Boris, did you want to buy a euroeean made maille or get pointers on making your own? Or a bit of both?
From what historical period and variant, flat rings or round and with or without alternating solids?


R Lister wrote:
http://www.capapie.co.uk/

At that low price this has to be GDFB mailles they're selling. I also recognise the photos of the GDFB tools. Nothing wrong with GDFB of course which I like a lot, but it's not all hand made in europe.
Are these perhaps GDFB mailles that have been tailored? Some I've seen that have been turned out very nice indeed.



Well as the owner of Cap-a-pie, I can honestly say our maille, tools and other things are not made by GDFB, we have a totally different supplier Happy The tools are fairly generic anyway in terms of shape.

We also have a combination of maille items made here in the UK and also abroad, it's the only way to stay competitive I'm afraid. Approximately two year waiting list for tailoring though. One of the many things we do get involved with is direct work with the manufacturers of the rings, I'm currently working on a new design incorporating the look and feel of Authentic Maille, yes watershed included. Being well aware that the current manufacturing process has a number of issues with it.

We are also working on a number of other projects such as ventail with tailored chin section to provide a better fit on a coif as well as maille brayettes for the gothic style armour. All this in the UK by yours truly with the help of some very knowledgeable folk in a particular museum in London.

Certainly good to see so much interest in maille as of late, especially the desire to get closer to the originals. Please keep it up as it certainly makes the sleepless nights I have trying to figure things out seem worth it Wink

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am very familiar with Cap a Pie's maille and I know Mark (the owner) from the trading circuit here in the UK - There I have laid my bias out in the open.

That said, talking to Mark about his maille and maille in general, his passion and knowledge of the subject and about his product is really evident. Its quality is exceptional and good enough for many museums and world class jousters.

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