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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2011 7:15 am    Post subject: Early baselards/Swiss daggers         Reply with quote

Hello,
I'm looking to find more images of early baselards/Swiss daggers. For the sake of definition, here's what I mean: daggers of the 14th century (and beginning of the 15th) with a through tang (not scale), wooden grip (now often missing), and metal reinforcements to the wood grips. Many authors of English-language works simply call these early baselards. In Europe, they are often called Swiss daggers, even though that name is perhaps more applicable to later pieces. Nevertheless, I'm not looking for any debate on etymology or terminology. Happy

Here are some for starters:


From the Musuem fur Deutsche Geschichte, Berlin. 14th century.




From http://armabohemia.cz/

From Hermann-Historica:

After 1400


After 1300 - More info and pics

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are a few, sorry they are just "browsed from the web" so don't have as much documentation as I would like.

Most of these are more the baselard, sideways capital H form rather then the curvy Holbein style

Link to Frescoes of the Basilica of Sant'Abbondio, Como, Italy mid 14th C.



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Based on the style of art: Frescoes of the Basilica of Sant'Abbondio, Como, Italy mid 14th C


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mackenzie Cosens wrote:
Here are a few, sorry they are just "browsed from the web" so don't have as much documentation as I would like.

Most of these are more the baselard, sideways capital H form rather then the curvy Holbein style

Link to Frescoes of the Basilica of Sant'Abbondio, Como, Italy mid 14th C.


Mackenzie,
Thanks, though I'm actually not interested in the "sideways capital H" form as you call it (the ones with riveted on grips) at all for this thread. I just want to to see more like the ones I posted: whittle/through tang with end-reinforced wood grips. If it has a capital I-shaped tang with rivet holes through it, I'm not looking for it in this thread. Happy

Also, Holbein daggers are a subset of Swiss daggers. They look much more like more modern SS daggers than the early ones I'm interested in.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are some more I've found:

From http://quaero-et-adamo.com/english/antique_daggers.htm :


From: http://www.allenantiques.com/W-17.html


From Wikipedia:


Anyone have any more images?

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a few from my reference files, minimal info. unfortunately.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael,
Thanks! A number of those are Hermann Historica items I've seen but didn't include in my posts because they were later than I'm looking for. I'm really looking for earlier stuff, from circa 1400 and before. Stuff from the mid to late 15th century and into the 16th is later than I'm trying to find pics for.

Can you tell me any more about the 3rd one you posted?

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep, 2011 2:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry Chad, that's already all the information I have.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Oct, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://mainzauber.de/blog09/wp-content/upload...hausen.jpg

This image may be what you are looking for. At the resolution it is hard to tell if its a whittle tang or not. Perhaps you can find an image with higher resolution.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/Germany%...%20604.JPG

effigy dated by themcs.org to 1355.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 6:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think these are what you need...

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