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Myles Mulkey





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PostPosted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Swords of the Saxon Wars?         Reply with quote

I'm curious as to what swords were in use during the Saxon Wars. Were the Petersen type K's already in use among the Franks? What about for the Continental Saxons? Or for that matter, what were the Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons (in England) using during this time?

I am assuming that the Scandinavians were using Petersen type A's. But I'd like to know what the Continental Saxons, English Anglo-Saxons, and the Franks were using during this time, say from around the 750's to the 800's.
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Myles Mulkey





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PostPosted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a time period that I'm not very familiar with. I know a bit about earlier Migration Period stuff, and about later Viking Age stuff, but this early Viking Age/Transitional time period is relatively new for me. I like it! Laughing Out Loud
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Till J. Lodemann





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PostPosted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, it's not one of my periods of interest per se, but the continental Saxons would have used more long seaxes then double edged swords.
The swords they used were mostly of frankish origin, though. The frankish swords have usually hiltstyles corresponding to Pettersen Types A, B C, D, E, H, G subtype 2. But I'm no expert in his types.

Generally, more three lobed or halfround pommels then pyramidical ones and mostly two part construction of the pommel.

The problem with this period is that due to the Christianisation of most of the peoples you mentioned, the most important archeological source for weapons, burials with gravegoods, ceases to exist.
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Peter O Zwart




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PostPosted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is precisely the area that I'm interested in and i have had the same difficulty as you in finding what kind of swords would be used in this period. However this http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=14152 discussion has some overlap with the time period you mentioned with really great charts
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Myles Mulkey





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PostPosted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peter O Zwart wrote:
This is precisely the area that I'm interested in and i have had the same difficulty as you in finding what kind of swords would be used in this period. However this http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=14152 discussion has some overlap with the time period you mentioned with really great charts
Thanks Peter. I've looked at that chart before, and it is really useful. Kirk is my hero for modifying that and putting it up here.

I've seen some depictions of Carolingians carrying what appear to be Petersen type K's, but I can't seem to find where I saw that. I think it's safe to say that Petersen's transitional types A, B, 1, 2, and Mannheim would work. And as Till said, types H, C, and D. And the type K is more or less contemporary with those as well.

These were all in my mind when I asked the question to begin with, but I'm still not sure which were most popular among each group. If the Franks were using all these types by now, and Frankish swords were highly sought after by their northern neighbors, then essentially there are no distinctions that can be made? The Saxons, Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and Scandinavians would have all been using these different types?
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Myles Mulkey





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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just thought I'd put these up here. Some Osprey depictions of Carolingians:

http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/sdffdgergrdjjk.jpg
http://images.pricerunner.com/product/image/8...rms%29.jpg
http://mirageswar.com/uploads/posts/1209299956_w961.gif
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Antonio Lamadrid





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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Three swords, one from Norway and two from England, can give a rough idea on how swords were around this time.

The Steinsvik Sword is covered in Swords of the Viking Age, by I. Peirce, in pages 32, 33 and Plate IV.

A good pic of this sword can be found here: http://www.khm.uio.no/tjenester/foto/presse/
More here, page 3, photos 22 to 28: http://www.vikverir.no/ressurser/hist_mus_osl...amp;page=3


And these two from England:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highligh...ommel.aspx
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highligh...ommel.aspx

Patrick Barta has made an awesome replica of the last one: http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquit...axon_sword

These pics are from Mr. Zuiderwijk's files. I have my doubts about the third one, the River Seine one, as it looks like a Petersen L to me. Not sure anyway.



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Shahril Dzulkifli




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PostPosted: Thu 30 Dec, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Swords of the Saxon Wars?         Reply with quote

I'm not sure how does an actual Saxon sword look like but here is a reproduction made at Dragon's Breath Forge

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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Thu 30 Dec, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a pretty sword, but the design is more or less fantasy, definitely not 8th century northern europe.
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