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Neil Langley




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PostPosted: Sat 06 Nov, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Swords and Swordsmen by Mike Loades         Reply with quote

A heads up on this book - Swords and Swordsmen; http://www.myArmoury.com/books/item.1848841337.html

Now, I donít always agree with Mr Loades on everything (although he is certainly a voice of sanity on popular telly shows) and I have not read this one, but Amazon has flagged his new book for me and it may well be a good read if you fancy it. It is available in the UK now and it looks like a Feb release date in the US.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Nov, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting. I did not know he published books on the subject, I'll definitely look it up.

His TV series weapon that made Britain is probably the best show I've seen on the subject of medieval arms and armour (same, there are some awkward bits here and there, especially the testing of the different sword designs and the conclusion he reaches (that a type XIII performs equally than a type XVIII in the thrust for instance!). He's a great narrator though, evidently passionate about his subject...the perfect show for anyone wanting a solid introduction to medieval arms.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Nov, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Julien         Reply with quote

Julien, I saw that test on Youtube and wondered about his conclusion also but he was testing in clay medium which would yield different results say, than if he were thrusting thru a heavy leather jerkin or mail for instance. Various segments of his program Weapons that made Britain are on YouTube and can be assembled to be watched as the entire program. Mr. Loades definitely knows his subject matter and his enthusiasm is contagious as well. If I could buy a complete copy of this program on DVD I would purchase it but have not found it as yet although it did air once on the History channeI. I wish he would market his shows in the U.S. where there is a big market just waiting to buy.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Nov, 2010 1:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi harry,

Yes a used clay as a testing medium, but his conclusion are a bit misleading nonetheless. The rest of the show is top notch. with interviews from the likes of Tobias Capwell, Hector Cole for pattern welding swords etc...

You can watch all 5 episodes in full and high quality here on veoh:

http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/weapons+that+made+britain

Enjoy,

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Nov, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

5-8 weeks for said book on Amazon.de, might just arrive for Christmas. So all I need to do now, is find someone still looking for a present for me Big Grin

Weapons that made Britain can also be found using the Google videosearch, in case one wants to get around the Veoh player needed for videos of this length.
Mr Loades US based show - Weaponmasters - he hosts together with Chad "Whose-surname-I-forgot" is also quite entertaining, but far less sane than the BBC Program. Testing the performance of a Katana by shooting a smallarm at the blade and analyzing the way the bullet was sliced in half seems rather strange.
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Neil Langley




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PostPosted: Thu 11 Nov, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Julien M wrote:
Yes a used clay as a testing medium, but his conclusion are a bit misleading nonetheless. The rest of the show is top notch. with interviews from the likes of Tobias Capwell, Hector Cole for pattern welding swords etc...


Quite a few of the things he says are open to question (the buckler in I.33 is chiefly employed for hiding your intentions behind?) but these are still the most enjoyable programs on the subjects featured that I have seen.

If you watch the program on Armour (I think it's that one) look out for the bit where he breaks the pollaxe in the slow-motion impact footage!


Harry J. Fletcher wrote:
Mr. Loades definitely knows his subject matter and his enthusiasm is contagious as well


I actually find his 'enthusiasm' a bit off-putting at times, but I rather hope this translates better in print for a lively read..

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Nov, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I saw the listing for this book a while back. It looks intriguing. I like the theme of using specific swords linked to specific people. It's rather like our Man of War series of articles in that regard.
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Neil Langley wrote:
Julien M wrote:
Yes a used clay as a testing medium, but his conclusion are a bit misleading nonetheless. The rest of the show is top notch. with interviews from the likes of Tobias Capwell, Hector Cole for pattern welding swords etc...


Quite a few of the things he says are open to question (the buckler in I.33 is chiefly employed for hiding your intentions behind?) but these are still the most enjoyable programs on the subjects featured that I have seen.

If you watch the program on Armour (I think it's that one) look out for the bit where he breaks the pollaxe in the slow-motion impact footage!


Harry J. Fletcher wrote:
Mr. Loades definitely knows his subject matter and his enthusiasm is contagious as well


I actually find his 'enthusiasm' a bit off-putting at times, but I rather hope this translates better in print for a lively read..

Neil.


Well, I don't know about "chiefly" but I.33 does use the buckler in many wards to disguise the actions of the sword hand. In fact, I would say that the buckler has only three really important functions: hiding the sword hand's actions, protecting the sword hand, and shield strikes to enable a blow with the sword. Just a small point.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you want a copy, Paul Meekins at Paul Meekins books has at least 3 signed copies at £30 each and may have more at home.

I am opposite his stall at TORM (big market) this weekend and if you would like me to pick up a copy for you please PM me and we can sort out payment and shipping after I get them, if I can get any.

Please PM me NOW if you would like me to do so and I will offer them in the order I get PMs. I suspect there may a be a rush on this so I will not reply to PMs of those that are not quick enough on the draw as it may take a while..............

At a guess shipping to the States will be about £10-12 All in at the current exchange rates this would be approx $70 per book.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Leo Todeschini wrote:

Please PM me NOW if you would like me to do so and I will offer them in the order I get PMs. I suspect there may a be a rush on this so I will not reply to PMs of those that are not quick enough on the draw as it may take a while..............


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PostPosted: Mon 22 Nov, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Leo Todeschini wrote:

Please PM me NOW if you would like me to do so and I will offer them in the order I get PMs. I suspect there may a be a rush on this so I will not reply to PMs of those that are not quick enough on the draw as it may take a while..............


Tod


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Leo was kind enough to get this book for me and it's now in transit and I should get it in a few days to maybe a week to 10 days depending on the vagueries of Canada Customs clearance and how fast things usually arrive from Europe.

So this post is to thank Leo for taking the time and trouble to buy the book, package the book, and post it before even getting paid for it. Wink Laughing Out Loud Cool ( Well I guess he wasn't worried about my paying him ASAP, but it's very much appreciated. Wink Laughing Out Loud ).

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan, 2011 1:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The book is OK, good even. It's pop-history, not hardcore scholarship. It has pretty pictures. It has trivia. It isn't perfect. I enjoyed reading it, don't regret buying it, and will keep it.

My review can be read at http://www.myArmoury.com/books/item.1848841337.html

"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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