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Richard Jao





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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Boxer Rebellion weaponry identification         Reply with quote

I was looking at a couple of pictures of Chinese Boxers from the Boxer rebellion and I wanted to know if anyone can help me in identifying some of them:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...ek1900.jpg



I can make out the dao, the guan dao, the quiang, and the trident (name escapes me atm), but I'm unsure as to what kind of firearms they were carrying at the time. I'm also not sure as to what kind of blade the man in the black and white photograph is wielding on his back. Would anyone happen to know what other kinds of weapons would've been used by the Boxers at this time period?
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The man in the middle of that photo looks like he has one of the southern style broadswords (nandao).
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Gottfried P. Doerler




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i`ve never seen such a sword with a circular pommel.

as for the firearms, i read in wikipedia "Qing armies...... trained and equipped according to western standards.....The first of the new armies was founded in 1895 with German arms...."
so i suppose these bolt-action-rifles are mauser`s. difficult to say witch model. possibly are

- Mauser Model 1871 (wiki "used by Germany, Japan, Qing Dynasty, Uruguay [1])
- Model 1895 (wiki "sold to Mexico, Chile, Uruguay, China, Iran and the South African states of Transvaal and The Orange Free State)
- the Gewehr 98 probably wasn`t in chinese hands until later (1935-80 as Zhongzheng rifle/Type 24 rifle)

(at least thinking of the main rifles of the time, its surely not a mosin-nagant, the springfield 1903 had yet to be built, the lee-enfield had a twisted handle since the beginning, and the french lebel`s weren`t exported to china [and had a spike bayonnet besides])
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Joel Minturn





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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was wondering if they could be Japaneses Arisaka rifle. The rifle in the painting looks a bit more like an Arisaka than a Mauser. I think it could be a Mosin Nagant rifle model 1891 as well but I am leaning a little more towards the Arisaka. Looks like it has a bit of a grip which the Nagant didn't have.

Than again the rifle in the painting could be a needle rifle, but that would be unlikely. Its also not like to be a Krag-Jĝrgensen Rifle.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gottfried P. Doerler wrote:
i`ve never seen such a sword with a circular pommel.


The pommel is actually a ring. Here is a link to a hanwei version of what I think that one is. http://www.cashanwei.com/prod_Detail.aspx?id=SH2447

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul, 2010 3:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hm...

from the looks it (the right one) could be a arisaka.
but the first arisaka (type 30) was introduced to the japanese army from 1897 onwards, and the boxer rebellions startet just two years later. so i think, if it is an arisaka, it must have been captured or something, it probably wasn`t sold by the japanese in big numbers (and the mauser 1871 was officially purchased by the qing dynasty).

difficult to tell, i even don`t dare to say, both rifles are of the same type.

the hanwei dadao however is pretty cool.
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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, the bayonets are for Mauser M 71/84... or Mannlicher M. 1893 (known also as Irish M1904), there are only some minor differences. I'm not very good at guns, but check out the following page to see how little difference is between those bayonets:
http://www.irishbayonets.com/mannlicher.html
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