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PostPosted: Sun 16 May, 2010 11:44 pm    Post subject: Anyone know anything about this armour with weird steel hat?         Reply with quote

While browsing the archives of French museum collections, I found this picture of a 17th century cuirassier's armour with a helmet made in the style of a brimmed hat.



Rear view - you can see what seems to be a neck protector.



Anyone ever seen anything like this? Were these kind of hats worn with any kind of regularity or is this just a one-off novelty item?

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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2010 3:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cameron Stone's Glossary contains a similar, rather dashing, iron hat on pg. 308, English, dated 1645 & credited to the Metropolitan Museum.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It looks like English Civil War era armor.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have seen a drawing of very similar steel hat, only missing cheeks and neck protectors dated as 1640-50, english, apparently in the Tower Museum in London. This information dates from 1975 but the helmet may be still in there, I have heard that they moved some of the collections to Leeds though. I havent had an opportunity to visit Tower yet as it is bloody expensive Mad .

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It's not in the online collections. I had checked both Leeds and Tower.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 7:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Last I was at the Tower it was not there. I do not recollect seeing it in Leeds either. The rest of the armour looks to be ECW era so I'd guess the hat to be as well. A very interesting find... gives an entire new direction to those hidden skull hats worn under hat-hats.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 7:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are other iron hats as well. I know I've seen them in other books. I think there is at least one in Berlin. Is there one in the Cleveland book?
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That harness is in the Musée de l'Armée and identified as French, ca. 1630. The helmet type was used in England as well. I would guess that it appeared in other parts of Europe during the 30 Years War. An evolutionary dead end, perhaps, but not a one-off or novelty. Perhaps the Royalist faction, with its French ties, introduced the type to England during the ECW.


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct, 2013 2:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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