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Lucas Simms




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 8:16 am    Post subject: Attaching munions to an almain collar         Reply with quote

Does anyone know exactly how munions were attached to the gorget in an almain collar assembly?

thank you

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Hugo H




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello
I found this at Mercenary's Tailor. Looks like it's attached underneath the gorget with rivets.

Almain collar refers to an assembly of gorget and long spaulders called munnions attached directly to the gorget forming a complete unit and seeming to have been developed in Germany sometime in the mid 16th century. The armoury at Graz has literally thousands of these assemblies. Using the historical original munnion in our gallery we have developed a set of Almain collar

Hugo

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_inf...rp8bk26oi2
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3393336953_fbcef2e870_b.jpg page shows riveted. wonder if its directly riveted steel to steel or if the collar is riveted to a piece of leather that attaches to the shoulder?
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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

On leathers. See this thread here with an original example http://www.livinghistorylibrary.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=346
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan,

I cannot get your link to work for me.

Lucas,

I cannot find pictures but I have seen at least two systems. One with leathers and one where it is on just a post like part.

I could not find pictures sadly that show this though.

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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 4:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Randal, Eric seems to have taken the forum down. Try this one http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewto...ain+collar same original black and white almain collar, picks taken from the previously reference forum.
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Lucas Simms




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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 1:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan Senefelder wrote:
Randal, Eric seems to have taken the forum down. Try this one http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewto...ain+collar same original black and white almain collar, picks taken from the previously reference forum.


that's the first photo I've seen of the inside of one of those things

I can't thank you enough Happy


by the way, the lames on a munion seem to be attached to each other via sliding rivets on one side and by leather strips one the other side

why does the construction look the same on both sides on the "outside" surface of the munions
(looks like each lame is attached to the next lame via 2 rivets)

is the leather strip the sole means of holding the other side of the munion together?
If so,what are the rivets on that side for?

sorry if the description is unclear

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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lucas, the front rivets are blind. The rivets don't pass through both plates but only the outside plate and piened to fill the hole. There are paired holes used initially during the forming process, but when final assembly is done, since articulation is on leathers on the front, the outside hole is filled with a rivet, the inside hole is used to secure the leather for articulation. The back needs only slot riveted articulation as you can only move your arms 20-25 degrees backward from shoulder to elbow, but humans have the ability to effectively hug themselves around the front so comperssion leather articulation is needed to allow for this, the plates being able to telescope together in compression.
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Lucas Simms




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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan Senefelder wrote:
Lucas, the front rivets are blind. The rivets don't pass through both plates but only the outside plate and piened to fill the hole. There are paired holes used initially during the forming process, but when final assembly is done, since articulation is on leathers on the front, the outside hole is filled with a rivet, the inside hole is used to secure the leather for articulation. The back needs only slot riveted articulation as you can only move your arms 20-25 degrees backward from shoulder to elbow, but humans have the ability to effectively hug themselves around the front so comperssion leather articulation is needed to allow for this, the plates being able to telescope together in compression.


thanks Happy

This might be a bit off the subject but is the same construction used on 1550's infantry tassets ("black and white" suits)?

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Any multi piece tassets. This one that we own is articulated the exact same way http://www.merctailor.com/originals.php?original_pk=37
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Lucas Simms




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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan Senefelder wrote:
Any multi piece tassets. This one that we own is articulated the exact same way http://www.merctailor.com/originals.php?original_pk=37


thanks for the third time

Lucas
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