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Oswald Boelcke





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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 12:03 am    Post subject: Celtic Swords?         Reply with quote

I received the attached photo from the friend of a friend etc.. It seems that these are prototypes of celtic style swords. While they may not be historically authentic, they are very beautiful, and I sure would like to have one. Rumor has it that a company in India is preparing the production, but I found no other info on the net. Has anyone heard anything about these swords like who is the manufacturer, when and where will they be available?


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Joel Chesser




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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Something about them screams Deepeeka to me. That would fit with the India production. They remind be a lot of the Lancelot swords from the Disney Kind Arthur movie that came out awhile back. The grips seem to have a heavy baselard influence.
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Antonio Lamadrid





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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 12:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Deepeeka is a likely candidate, Al Hamdd Trading Post may be another one.
http://www.al-hamdd.com/index.html

Armamentaria sells some of their products:
http://www.armamentaria.com/store/index.php?m...rers_id=10
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They look more like short sword Holbein daggers, or Degens to me. If they're inexpensive, I might be interested, though. If they are Deepeekas, I'll probably pass Worried .
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hmm, no, I think Deepeeka's "Celtic" stuff is much more accurate! As I understand it, the whole concept of the "Celtic leaf blade" is basically bogus, since what we define as Celtic culture did not emerge until leaf blades were pretty much out of use. And they were bronze, in that part of Europe, not iron.

Now, the blades on these are a decent shape for a *Greek* iron sword from the Classical or Hellenistic eras. But the hilts are pretty much a loss all around, and the scabbards are only useful for their wood. Historically speaking!

It's interesting that in Western Europe, bronze leaf blades gave way to straight-edged swords that then were copied in iron. (At least that's a basic summary--Jeroen will hopefully correct me!) In Greece, the bronze Naue II sword, with straight edges, evolved into an iron sword which THEN became the Greek leaf-shaped blade! History's mysteries...

Valete,

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matthew Amt wrote:
It's interesting that in Western Europe, bronze leaf blades gave way to straight-edged swords that then were copied in iron. (At least that's a basic summary--Jeroen will hopefully correct me!)

Ah yes, no Happy In western and most of Europe, the leafshaped Gundlingen and pseudo-leafshaped Mindelheim took over from all previous swords, leafbladed or straight edged, and were then copied in iron and then disappeared alltogether. In south-east Europe as I understand from a few sparse finds, the straight edged antenna hilted swords continued to exist, were copied in iron, became the anthropomorphic swords which then developed into the la Tene swords that spread through Europe (the true celtic swords).

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Doh! Gundlingens, forgot about them. I was thinking of Mindelheims, but it seems a little bit of a stretch to think of them as leaf-shaped. But I certainly concede the point. Thanks, Jeroen! Unfortunately, that doesn't make the swords shown above any more historically accurate.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matthew Amt wrote:
Doh! Gundlingens, forgot about them. I was thinking of Mindelheims, but it seems a little bit of a stretch to think of them as leaf-shaped.
That's why I called them pseudo-leafshaped, as they have the leafshape, with a piece of a straight edged sword stuck to it Happy

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But I certainly concede the point. Thanks, Jeroen! Unfortunately, that doesn't make the swords shown above any more historically accurate.

No, definately nothing to do at all with historical swords, let alone Celtic ones.

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Joel Chesser




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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You know, the more I look at these the more I think that if the the price were right and blades steel and heat treat were appropriate, they might make fun project swords. I'm envisioning some kind of fantasy, hobbit swords or something. Toward that end I even like the guard.
..." The person who dosen't have a sword should sell his coat and buy one."

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Shahril Dzulkifli




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Celtic Swords?         Reply with quote

I have an announcement:
For those who are interested with Celtic swords just go to http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquit...le_age.php. Here you can see Czech swordsmith Patrick Bárta's replications of Celtic and other swords based on real ones kept in museums. He also runs the website. Wink

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