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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Wed 17 Mar, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: old brands         Reply with quote

Hey guys,
I am studying the ancient swords' marks .
Wolf of Passau and the Unicorn are my favorites. Here, I've read everything with the Search function.
My question is: Are there any texts dealing with the old brands? Perhaps easier to find in German?
Everything you think is useful to help me, is welcome. Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Mar, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Old Brands         Reply with quote

Try this for starters:


German Swords and Sword Makers: Edged Weapon Makers from the 14th to the 20th Centuries
by Richard H. Bezdek


Good Luck!

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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Wed 17 Mar, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Maurizio,

The Passau wolf is a guild mark, moreso than a maker's mark. My feeling is that we will find more examples of such guild marks sometimes assigned to a maker, when it is truly a district or national guild mark.

Cheers

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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bill,
I ordered the book on Amazon.uk.
Thanks

Glen,
Thanks, for the information.

Soon I will have some questions.

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Maurizio
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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Fri 26 Mar, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I want to add this page may be useful for someone. (from the book recommended by Bill)
Anybody know any sword that has the imprint of Passau wolf as the one near the arrow?
Impressed with a punch to the horizontal lines.
Anybody know swords that have impressed the mark of the photos that I add?
From authoritative sources, people on this forum, I know that is a baptismal font. Wink
The sword is "La Lupa" Eek!

I'm the wolf. Seventh Sword
(understand the female gender.)
Title of my friend, all rights reserved. Laughing Out Loud



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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 1:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's a significant section on maker's marks in the book on arms from the Wallace Catalogue series Maurizio, if you haven't seen it already.
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K J Seago




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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

what about ulfberht and engelrii marks on swords????
a slightly more skilled way of marking swords?

just another student of an interesting subject, Happy
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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Craig,
thanks but I had already seen

A sword in the Severance Collection, Cleveland has this brand.
Someone tell me the country of origin? Germany?
In particular the right brand. It seems the cup of communion.



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Michael Eging




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 6:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am near Cleveland and reached out to the museum to see if the collection is being exhibited at this time. I was there about 6 months ago and they were doing so much work I didn't see it. If no one else gets back to you, I'll try to find out. Cool
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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 7:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Michael,
your help I would be helpful.
We can discover interesting things, by studying the marks. Eek!

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The book "Guida del raccoglitore e dell'amatore di armi antiche", di Jacopo Gelli (1900) contains several maker's marks in the last pages. You can download it for free here (copyright expired):
http://www.earmi.it/download/libri/gelli.htm

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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ave gladiatore, Wink
thanks it's useful. Big Grin
thanks because in Italian. Cool
thanks because it costs nothing. Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is the response I recieved from the Cleveland Museum on the marks and the sword upon which it is found. It is indeed found in the Severence collection, but it is not currently on display. The staff at the museum was extremely helpful, so if you need anything else, please let me know.



Hand and a Half Sword
Germany, mid 16th Century
Materials: Steel, blued pommel and quillons, leather grip
Dimensions: 123.9 cm overall length
Gift of Mr. and Mrs. John L. Severance
1916.1506

I have an inquiry into the museum to see if I can post the image. More later.

Cool

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ciao Michael,
this is a great help to me. Eek!
I am very grateful to you.
Thanks Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maurizio:

Enclosed is an image of the sword bearing all three marks, as referenced in my earlier email. Staff told me there could be many more in the collection bearing the chalice mark, but not all the makers marks have been cataloged yet. Of course I offered to help them out...

Ciao!

Mike

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