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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Question about short sword         Reply with quote

hello to everyone! ..


I just want to know , what kind of sword is carried by this knight ? ... it's a Kasten-brust breastplate, but am not sure if is some kind of messer, sword , dagger, or...




well.... any idea ? Worried



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Artis Aboltins




PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hmm I am sure there are more knowledgable people than I am on this subject, but looks like some variation of falchion to me.
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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yeap Artis... am a little bit confused too ... seems like a short falchion .. but am not sure , because if you see the picture there's no cross-guard and sadly is the only decent picture I could get to show you
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd guess it's nothing in particular. If the "exotic" clothing on the left-hand figure is anything to go by, the right-hand figure is supposed to represent something foreign.

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Greg Coffman




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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My guess is it is in the same family of German knives as the messer, but perhaps not a messer. Where does the picture come from? Somewhere online? I'm always interested in finding more sources for historical artwork.
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Samuel Bena




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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As mentioned earlier the origin and dating of the piece could prove useful; my bet is that it represents a local (European) take on the oriental-Turkish sabre. We have a quantum of such examples back here in Slovakia. I am assuming that since the author wasn't extremely familiar with sabre designs he just drew an oriental looking messer/falchion (called tesák/tasak in Slavic regions btw).
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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Greg ... this picture comes from Konrad Witz , german /swiss painter

http://www.abcgallery.com/W/witz/witz.html


This picture was a representation of a biblical chapter ... because the name of the picture is " Abraham in front of Melchisedek" and there are many others like this..

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Stephane Rabier




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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan, 2010 3:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Julian Arellano wrote:
This picture was a representation of a biblical chapter ... because the name of the picture is " Abraham in front of Melchisedek" and there are many others like this..

Hi,
so I also think the weapon is just supposed to be "something oriental" as often seen in biblical scenes.
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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It appears to be a late medieval hunting knife, though of larger scale. Note the absent of guard, the bird's head pommel and (maybe) smaller knife/tool in front.
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