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Steffen S




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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: civilian self defense sword?         Reply with quote

for travelers, traders and other civilians who traveled the land and roads, were there any preferred sword for protection against wild animals, bandits, highwaymen etc?

i guess it would be a 'carry a lot - use very little' sword
type, blade length?

time period would be before firearms got practical for such an application.
high middle age/rennesaince(don't know how to spell it)
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Norbert Keller




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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi there!

Well for against beasts I wouldn't use sword, rather a spear or axe.

Preferred blade could be the messer, I think. Since it "isn't a sword, just a big knife" (>>messer means knife), everybody were allowed to wear it. It was popular from 14 to 16th century, or more if I know well. These weapons had many forms and sizes, so I guess this is what you are thinking about..



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe they just preferred big knifes. Most daggers of medieval times coulds be considered small swords compared to "self-defence knifes"Žof our days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jan, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In late 15th and early 16th c. Austrian depictions of the arrest of Jesus, Peter is typically shown with a mid-size messer (bauernwehr) or a broad, Cinqueda-size, double-edge sword with short, straight cross (like the Windlass "coustille"). Those would be very practical general purpose blades for travelers and others living rough.
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