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Evgeniy Novikov




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 2:28 am    Post subject: Please help me identify this sword.         Reply with quote

Please help me identify this sword.Any help would be appreciated! Thank you so much.


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Jean Thibodeau




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Welcome to the site. Happy Cool

I can't really give you an opinion I am confident as to it's accuracy but my first impression would be of a Victorian reproduction made in the 19th century although it could be older and in a regional style I am not familiar with.

There seems to be some remaining metal plating on the guard and pommel that might be gold ?

Anyway, others here may be able to give you a more accurate identification ? Although it seems to me more like a large dagger than a sword ? Maybe you could add some dimensions like length of blade, overall length, width of blade at the cross.

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Evgeniy Novikov




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Guard and pommel gilded made of silwer. Lenth-48.5 sm. The lenth of handle-12.5 sm. Blade width at base -4.2sm.Blade -36cm


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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Welcome Evgeniy,
I have seen guards like these. Niece latest of these, that I post here??
by Early Medieval Weapons in the north Caucasus - Kaminsky.



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Evgeniy Novikov




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello!! By Caucasian style blade he has no relation ... I think the blade made in Western Europe as a crossroads and pommel in Kievan Rus
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Adam Bodorics
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 12:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My guess based on the size and the holes in the tang and location would be a locally made locally rehilted (decorations seems to be OK for that area) kindjal-variant (or quama(sp?), I words the mix up at times) from the 19th century.

Edited to add - it's either blunt or seriously overbuilt. Look at that secondary bevel, my combat/utility axes have this size, and they can fell a tree. Or it's just very, very thin.
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Henrik Zoltan Toth




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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wow! The pommel and armguard are really decorated with palmett motives ( 9-11th cent., f.e. Kiev Rus, Chasaria, Hungary), but the shape of the blade remembers me on 15th Cent italian swords.

Zoltán
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Henrik Zoltan Toth




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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 1:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henrik Zoltan Toth wrote:
Wow! The pommel and armguard are really decorated with palmett motives ( 9-11th cent., f.e. Kiev Rus, Chasaria, Hungary)


I think they were part of a sabre.

Zoltán
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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Zoltán, you mean "the tree of life" symol? Something like this:
http://pelzo.konyv-e.hu/images/Anarcs_Pelzo.gif

I think it's older than 19th century, let's say 16-17th c. On 19th century swords makers marks were stamped on the ricasso, not gold-plated on the blade.
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Markus A




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun, 2010 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

suits the russian style with viking elements in it very well.is surely an big dagger of an richer chap.would date around 1450 plus minus 50 years.its surely belonging together and is not assembled by the finder from different pieces
its surely orginal and would be worth some bucks
great stuff
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Eric Ziegler




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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Sword pics.         Reply with quote

From what I can tell it is a combination of a few things. The blade is of European origin but has Roman and probably Frank influence. I am however unsure I would have to look at the wood that has rotted away and the scabbard as well.
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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the hilt decorations resembles ancient Hungarian (Magyar) symbols. If my theory is correct, this puts the sword to a much earlier period.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...glalas.gif

... but those swords were different:
http://users.atw.hu/sarkanykronika/gondolatok_elemei/image008.gif
http://www.ujmagyarevezred.nl/kard.jpg
http://sztsebestyenijaszkor.5mp.eu/honlapkepe...zablya.gif
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