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PostPosted: Tue 17 Feb, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject: 12thC Norman lances - welded or butted socket?         Reply with quote

Hi guys, just looking for a bit of guidance on whether the socket of a typical Norman lance of the 12thC would have the split welded up or left as a butted joint.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Feb, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Todd

Hard to say as a broad rule.


My own studies would suggest 'poorly welded' as a general rule.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Feb, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Fabrice,

So basically welded, not welded or anything in between would be OK?

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Feb, 2009 8:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you're going to have to make lots of these as part of your Norman contract, you might be interested in this as a time-saver:

Not long ago I found a supply of Hanwei "Viking Throwing Spears" for $30 USD and got one to see if it could make a convincing 15th c. spear. The fake niello on the socket is simply copper-plated steel and the thin plating comes off quickly with a file (even faster with a belt sander). As purchased, the seam is open, but is easily closed with the tension of the rivet (see last photo below). Just a thought....



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PostPosted: Tue 17 Feb, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yep.

After drawing out the socket and rolling it, the ends overlapped a bit and were tentatively forge-welded. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

Here's an example of what I mean :



I hope it helps.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Feb, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for all your help, it is appreciated and nice work Fabrice.


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If you're going to have to make lots of these as part of your Norman contract, you might be interested in this as a time-saver:


Darrin read that last night and posted his unwanted one to me today, so quick progress indeed.

I think that you are right Sean and this could make a good basis for a lance with a bit of reworking.

Basically I have an wide ranging contract for a number of items and some bulking out needs to occur to fill the gaps in a cost effective way which is where these come in, but combined with some higher grade examples this will work well I think.

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