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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Feb, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Viking hilts picture request         Reply with quote

I'm going to have a custom hilt parts made for a bare DT2070 blade that I ordered so I would be very grateful if someone would post a link or photos of original viking hilts type B, C and H. Thanks in advance! Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Feb, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not everybody is familiar with all the different typologies. It would serve you better to provide illustrations of the hilt styles you're seeking. This will make it easier for people to help you.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Feb, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Good idea. Happy

Type B:



Type C:



Type H:

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Feb, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is an excellent myArmoury thread with photos of Type H hilts, especially decorated hilts, and with the usual great discussion found on this Forum.

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=5386
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Feb, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Luka.

Check out the link below. These swords are originals from the historical museum in Sweden. You should be able to find what you want. There are about 150 pictures.

http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/resultat_bil...amp;page=1

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Feb, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jim, thank you, this topic is very informative and has some good pictures.
Ville, that is more than enough pictures for me, there are some really beautiful swords here, thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Feb, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ville Vinje wrote:
Hi Luka.

Check out the link below. These swords are originals from the historical museum in Sweden. You should be able to find what you want. There are about 150 pictures.

http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/resultat_bil...amp;page=1

Regards,

/Ville


Ville,
thank you so much for this great link. I was specially interested in the numerous scabbard chapes.

Jean
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Feb, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, the bronze chapes are really beautiful.
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Feb, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Plated type H topic raised another question for me. What would be the easiest and historical way to make a two piece pommel? To attach one piece to another and to the tang. I suppose techniques were the same for types that are similar like B, c and H?
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Feb, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Plated type H topic raised another question for me. What would be the easiest and historical way to make a two piece pommel? To attach one piece to another and to the tang. I suppose techniques were the same for types that are similar like B, c and H?
Nope, while (going from memory) B and C are peened entire pommel is peened to the tang. With type H, the upper guard (lower part of the pommel) is peened to the tang, and the pommel is usually glued on a U-shaped rivet (see the massive type H thread refered to earlier). There also appear to be type H pommels that have two rivets, which exten through the pommel though, which is a lot easier. When glueing on the U-shaped pommel, you need a really good pitch to hold it on. Find something that works and is historical is really difficult I find (not brittle, sticks to metal well, doesn't melt in a bit of sunshine etc.).
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Feb, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It seems that two rivets would be the best way, thanks. If B and C pommels are peened just on the top, upper guard and pommel are not held together with anything but peening pressure? Would not upper pommel twist around then?
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Feb, 2009 11:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Le-Palud wrote:
Ville Vinje wrote:
Hi Luka.

Check out the link below. These swords are originals from the historical museum in Sweden. You should be able to find what you want. There are about 150 pictures.

http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/resultat_bil...amp;page=1

Regards,

/Ville


Ville,
thank you so much for this great link. I was specially interested in the numerous scabbard chapes.

Jean


No prob.

It's a great site to find viking and vendel age finds. To bad you need to know swedish to use the site to it's fullest.

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
It seems that two rivets would be the best way, thanks. If B and C pommels are peened just on the top, upper guard and pommel are not held together with anything but peening pressure?
Seems like it.

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Would not upper pommel twist around then?
No, as the tang is flat and wide. Only if the tang were circular you'd have that problem.
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, yes, I should have thought of that. Well, thank you all. It seems it will be either type H with two rivets or B or C with normal peening on the top.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Mar, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry for reviving the thread, but I have one more question... How does the two rivets hold the pommel and upper guard together if they don't go all the way through the pommel, and they don't according to the picture at the beginning of the Pierce's Swords of the viking age?
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Mar, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Sorry for reviving the thread, but I have one more question... How does the two rivets hold the pommel and upper guard together if they don't go all the way through the pommel, and they don't according to the picture at the beginning of the Pierce's Swords of the viking age?


They go all the way through the upper guard and attach into the pommel as seen here on the right:


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Mar, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you Nathan, but I still don't get it. The rivets do go all the way through the upper guard but I'm confused that they are short inside the main part of the pommel. It looks like you could hold the pommel and take it of the rivets. Or do they widen inside the pommel? Then the pommel should have a pre-made space in it in which the end of the rivet could widen? Sorry for bothering but It's hard to get it without seeing in person. And my "hilt maker" isn't very experienced in making such pommels and I have to explain it to him if I want it done historically correct. Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Mar, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Luka-

I'm not a maker, but this is how I understand it:



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PostPosted: Mon 09 Mar, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you Nathan, that really should be enough for the smith.
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