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Will C




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Another helm         Reply with quote

Another interesting helm. I was looking for the first helm and when I found one I also found the second helm of the same site. Both are listed as norman helms, I can easily document the first helm. The second I can find no historical evidence for. In my opinion it is merely a variant of same style of helm as the first picture.... or am I smoking some weird s**t?


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Standard Dome with a face mask - boring

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Dome with a not so standard face mask 1

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Dome with a not so standard face mask at different angle
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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not saying there no documentation, the only thing i've seen remotely like it and this is in the area of the face only is the 17th century tottenkopff we own. If some one has something on this i'd love to see it.
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Hendrik De Coster




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i believe this belongs to the fantasy range maybe?
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Will C




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found this in an armour museum, grotesques arent common but neither are they unheard of.

So this isnt just a standard dome helm with a face shield that someone has grotesquerised?



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Higgins Armory Museum, Worcester MA
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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Will, I was under the impression you were looking for documentation for that kind of work during the period that the helmet construction indicates, there is over 500 years differnece between the helmet from Best Armour you first showed and the Maximillian helmet you've just shown. I completely misunderstood what you were after, I though you were looking for proof that a helmet c. 1000 AD was done that way not that there were any helmets ever done that way. I appologize. Yes there was a helmet or two done repossed like a skull, a number done in various grotesque versions, not a single one of which i'm aware ( which certainly doesn't mean they weren't which is why I was hoping for some one who knows more than I could volunteer something) done at the time the construction method used on the Best Armour helmet indicates (it would have been used c 1000-1170 AD or so.).
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Will C




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Nov, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry couldnt help sharing that max helmet...

I am looking to document that 12thC Grotesque. I highly doubt that I'm going to find anything like it however I am hoping that its not a large stretch of the imagination to say that the grotesque dome helm is merely a customisation of the standard Dome & faceplate - theres ample evicence to show that knights did customise their Helms.. or am I up a certain creek minus paddle?
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