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Ohm D.





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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: horsebow and Scramasax questions         Reply with quote

can someone tell me where i could find a site that lists all the sections of a horsebow? i found a pretty nice one online but it comes with a lot of customization options and i don't know which part of the bow they are talking about, and i don't want to miss out on getting something that will make the bow look or perform better.

also can someone tell me if this Scramasax http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~PC10...amasax.htm has a snug fit in its sheath because to me it looks a bit flimsy and i don't want to get this knife if it will always fall out of its sheath.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Are you crafty at all? If you really like the knife it's not very difficult to whip up a seax sheath that will look as good or better than the one they are offering (even if it's a crude design). Chrome tanned black leather is more than a little anachronistic.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi

Could you send a link of the bow you want to get?

That seax is not really the correct shape either.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Upper Siyah
Upper Limb
Grip
Lower Limb
Lower Siyah

There the basic terms for the major components of the horse bow

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: horsebow and Scramasax questions         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
also can someone tell me if this Scramasax http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~PC10...amasax.htm has a snug fit in its sheath because to me it looks a bit flimsy and i don't want to get this knife if it will always fall out of its sheath.


I have that scramsax it is a good buy it is not historically accurate in terms of the pommel and celtic knot rim but it is a worth while buy it is fully functional and I put it to use when I go camping it's great for cleanig fish .

The sheath is anything but flimsy it is made from a good quality leather and has a snug fit which grips the blade infact you can turn it upside down shake it and the sax will stay perfectly in place. Despite this grip the blade can be quickely drawn with out much hinderance
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

sweet the knife looks really good and the bow pics helped clarify thing for me. is there anywhere i might be able to get the same knife with the same sheath cheaper than $85 ??

btw this is the site i was thinking about getting it from. this is the cheapest i've found this bow with customization options but if someone has a better site plz feel free to let me know (doesn't need to have a customized bow just a customizable draw length and weight) http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/customize...-8616.html
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Nov, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
sweet the knife looks really good and the bow pics helped clarify thing for me. is there anywhere i might be able to get the same knife with the same sheath cheaper than $85 ??

btw this is the site i was thinking about getting it from. this is the cheapest i've found this bow with customization options but if someone has a better site plz feel free to let me know (doesn't need to have a customized bow just a customizable draw length and weight) http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/customize...-8616.html


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PostPosted: Sat 15 Nov, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
btw this is the site i was thinking about getting it from. this is the cheapest i've found this bow with customization options but if someone has a better site plz feel free to let me know (doesn't need to have a customized bow just a customizable draw length and weight) http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/customize...-8616.html


Here is some info on Medieval Collectibles: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13657

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Nov, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lots of customization options? Are you, by any chance, talking about Saluki bows? The number of options available there is frankly quite overwhelming even to an archery geek like me...

Anyway, just to add another link that might help you get a clearer picture about the different parts of an eared composite bow:

http://www.atarn.org/chinese/visible_bow/visible.htm
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Nov, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I used thefind.com to search for that scramseax they gave me a link to an American site called knifecentre.com that is selling it for 70.90 I checked it out while they're site doesnt look impressive visual wise they seem to be legit

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CISH1075

heres the listng pagre o the find.com all the dfferent sites are selling it for between 70 and 80 dollars
http://www.thefind.com/sports/info-saxon-belt
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Nov, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've ordered from Knifecenter before and had no issues.
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Nov, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

sweet thanks for the link. This is the best price i've seen so far so i'm probably going to be buying it from here. Once again, thanks.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Nov, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

ok so i've heard that medieval collectibles is a bad site to buy from so i looked around and i found a few good looking bows on kult of athena. I'm don't know too much about the specifics of archery, i learned the basics in some class i took, so i'm not sure which bow is made of good materials and reliable so i was wondering if someone could check out these bows and tell me which would be the best. i would have gotten a modern recurve or compound but i don't know why but i like the ancient style composite bows the best.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL01...te+Bow.htm

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL03...te+Bow.htm

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL05...te+Bow.htm
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Nov, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
ok so i've heard that medieval collectibles is a bad site to buy from so i looked around and i found a few good looking bows on kult of athena. I'm don't know too much about the specifics of archery, i learned the basics in some class i took, so i'm not sure which bow is made of good materials and reliable so i was wondering if someone could check out these bows and tell me which would be the best. i would have gotten a modern recurve or compound but i don't know why but i like the ancient style composite bows the best.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL01...te+Bow.htm

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL03...te+Bow.htm

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~FL05...te+Bow.htm


Just ask Ryan at KoA and he can answer your questions or at least he will give you what he knows about the product and any options not listed like the availability of heavier draw weights although 50 pounds is very adequate in a modern context and would be strong enough for actual use for hunting. ( No idea if you want to hunt with a period horsebow but FYI. )

Ryan can be trusted to give you the positives or negatives about any of his products that range from top of the end Albions to inexpensive wall hangers.

All my buying experiences with KoA have been first class in customer service.

Note: I think these bows are made from some modern materials like laminated fibreglass but are cosmetically made to look and function like a period horse bow. Durability and maintenance as well as lower prices being the advantages. If one wants 100% authenticity the bows would have to use the right woods, sinew and period glues.

Oh, Ryan may be able to find period or materials authentic bows for you: Again, you should just send him an e-mail at the KoA web site.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

is there a link i could get to ask him the question? cuz i looked around the site but didn't see anything like contact us or something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You might want to take a look at this site http://www.grozerarchery.com/index_m.htm I have never bought from them but they seem like they are pretty good quallity to me and even if you dont buy anything you should still find out a lot about different types of composite bows. Hope this helps, good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but you could go to horsebows.com for a great hun bow. I owned one for a while and loved it. The product was great as was the service. Sorry if you've all mentioned this site already and I missed it, still having my first cup of joe.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Nov, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

with horsebows do you NEED the thumb release or will they work just fine with finger tabs??
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Nov, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
with horsebows do you NEED the thumb release or will they work just fine with finger tabs??


Not sure but since there isn't a dedicated to one side arrow shelf I think one could do it either way but with the thumb release the arrow goes on the opposite side to when using the European release !

I am left handed and I could use a modern bow made for a right hander left handed by using the thumb release: Anyway, it seemed to work as an experiment. Wink Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Nov, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ohm D. wrote:
with horsebows do you NEED the thumb release or will they work just fine with finger tabs??


It depends. A bow with a sight window/arrow shelf/arrow rest can usually be shot only off one side of the bow, though with some makers you can specify whether you want the indentation to be on the left or the right side. A really traditional design without such indentations can usually be shot with the arrow to either side of the bow and with any kind of release, although it would normally work best with the arrow placement and release that it was originally developed for.

All right, the short answer is that you can get "horsebow" models that would work perfectly with a Western shooting technique (Mediterranean release and knuckle-side arrow placement); just make sure that you check with the maker first, and if possible ask specifically for the bow to be modified for your desired style of shooting.

Even if you want to use a thumb release, you don't have to use a thumb ring--thumb tabs are known to have been in widespread use, and some notable archers were bare-thumb shooters. And a thumb draw doesn't have to be used in conjunction with thumb-side arrow placement since there are many Mongolian target archers (using traditional or semi-traditional bows) who draw with the thumb but place their arrows on the knuckle side (the left side for a right-handed shooter).

As for recommended bow vendors/manufacturers, Eastern Archery ( http://www.eastern-archery.com/ ) allows you to compare bows from several different manufacturers, including Grozer (whose site has been linked to some way up the thread), Kassai (for whom http://www.horsebows.com/ is the American distributor), and Toth--the three names that immediately come to my mind if I'm asked for bona fide commercial bowyers who make Eastern-style bows. There's also Lukas Novotny ( http://www.salukibow.com/ ), which provides you with an overwhelmingly wide array of customization options, but its prices may be a bit high compared to the others (some say a bit overpriced, though I don't have an opinion either way since I've never owned/tested a Saluki bow yet).
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