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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Looking for a picture of a rapier hanger         Reply with quote

Hello all,

I'm looking for a picture of a rapier hanger that I believe was posted on this forum. This particular hanger was beautifully embroidered, gold on a black background, and I believe it was in a fleur de lis pattern. Does anyone remember this one?

I tried doing some searches for it but apparently my search-fu is somewhat lacking in coming up with it...

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This may not be the one you're looking for, but it's a nice piece anyway:


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

This is a nice rapier hanger! Can you please give some details?

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
This may not be the one you're looking for, but it's a nice piece anyway:



It isn't but you are right it is... Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Rapier Hanger         Reply with quote

This One?

This was done by Tod of www.todsstuff.co.uk

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 6:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

WOW! That one is gorgeous to, thanks Craig and Chad! No neither one is the one I was looking for in particular, but please all keep them coming. I'm working on one for a current project, and although it won't be nearly as impressive as these two, I need to study the subject more.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gary A. Chelette wrote:
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

This is a nice rapier hanger! Can you please give some details?


It might cost you more than a dollar. Wink

Attached is more informatin on that hanger. It's in the Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, Dresden.



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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is it this one:



Nathan posted a pic on the second page of this thread: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8078

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That one is great too, but unfortunately that's not it either. That's darned nice though! I'm going to do some more searching...
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ;

Here is a web page my friend Patrick Gaul put together to illustrate various Elizabethan sword hangers that may be of interest to you: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Gaul/SwordHangers Just about all of the variations from that era that you may wish to check into.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Russ;

Here is a web page my friend Patrick Gaul put together to illustrate various Elizabethan sword hangers that may be of interest to you: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Gaul/SwordHangers Just about all of the variations from that era that you may wish to check into.

Cheers!

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Thanks Gordon, I'll check it when I get home. My work firewall is blocking the site.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Hangers         Reply with quote

Just a couple of hangers I've got. I think the hanger shown from the Globe may be be made by Karl Robinson, here http://www.karlrobinson.co.uk/
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Really nice and thanks for the link!
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I scanned these examples from the Dresden Historisches Museum quite awhile ago. I think I've posted them. I can't find the post currently but here are the images:





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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Nathan!

I've got to hand it to you guys, you all really come through! The only thing about these hangers is that they are so good that it's going to make the one I had planned look very utilitarian by comparison although it is by far and away the most elaborate thing of this type I've ever attempted...

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ;

One thing to remember in the construction of these hangers is that the straps holding the sword scabbard in place are full loops, and not billets. The buckles don't have tongues, they just slide down the strap to tighten rather than working like a belt, leaving the end part of it out in the wind. The buckle is sewn to the end of the strap, and loops into itself, as it were. Kinda hard to explain, but the photo's ought to be reasonably self-explanatory. Unfortunately most makers don't go far enough into looking at the originals to see this.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Russ;

One thing to remember in the construction of these hangers is that the straps holding the sword scabbard in place are full loops, and not billets. The buckles don't have tongues, they just slide down the strap to tighten rather than working like a belt, leaving the end part of it out in the wind. The buckle is sewn to the end of the strap, and loops into itself, as it were. Kinda hard to explain, but the photo's ought to be reasonably self-explanatory. Unfortunately most makers don't go far enough into looking at the originals to see this.

Cheers!

Gordon


Hey Gordon,

Thanks for the explanation, I've dinked around with this sort of thing once before and what you are describing clears up something that was a bit of a mystery to me last time. I know exactly what you mean and have to say thanks so much! That makes it much clearer!

In general I have to say thank you very much to all of you that took time to post on this thread or send me links. There is really some fantastic work out there but ancient and modern!

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