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Victor Crowne





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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: thrust or cut         Reply with quote

would this replica (the longer one) be considered an accurate one, and of so from what time period do you think?




also would this be exclusively a cutting weapon, or would the thrust also have been effective? to a layman (me) it looks like you could skewer a boar on it.

maybe not a mailclad one, though, with a shield.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Intresstingly I have found in practise that thrusts are often the winning attacs when fighting with shields. I can elaborate on this for hours but to make it short it has to do with confusing the distance for the opponent with the shield and then do a quick thrust above the rim of the opponents shield straight to his/her eyes.
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Victor Crowne





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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Martin Wallgren wrote:
Intresstingly I have found in practise that thrusts are often the winning attacs when fighting with shields.


would they be in this case? would that strategy prove efficatious with this sword or, rather, a sword of this type?
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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Victor Crowne wrote:
Martin Wallgren wrote:
Intresstingly I have found in practise that thrusts are often the winning attacs when fighting with shields.


would they be in this case? would that strategy prove efficatious with this sword or, rather, a sword of this type?


yepp!

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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For some context, it's the "Celtic Long Sword" by Windlass Steelcrafts. In their own words:
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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: thrust or cut         Reply with quote

Victor Crowne wrote:
would this replica (the longer one) be considered an accurate one, and of so from what time period do you think?




also would this be exclusively a cutting weapon, or would the thrust also have been effective? to a layman (me) it looks like you could skewer a boar on it.

maybe not a mailclad one, though, with a shield.


Hi Victor...

It may be a replica of the Embleton Sword... Celto-Roman roughly A.D. 100.

Like you said, it would primarily be a cutting weapon I would think, but could also be a good thruster... The MRL replica is about 10 inches longer in the blade than the Embleton... that may be the reason it looks like a skewer.

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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Somehow, the Embleton original looks like it's going to be the better thruster than the replica, despite its less skewer-like appearance...
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PostPosted: Wed 09 May, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lafayette C Curtis wrote:
Somehow, the Embleton original looks like it's going to be the better thruster than the replica, despite its less skewer-like appearance...

It does look like the tip would be closer to the pivot point than on the replica's extended blade, for one. On the other hand, the replica looks like it should be a stronger cutter, with more blade presence...

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